no allin ev for eveleaf network

[asdpikas]

what the title says, for everleaf, the graph only shows "amount won" even tho i've clicked allin ev

[WhiteRider]

Subject: FAQ: Expected Value (EV) Graphs

Some sites do not include mucked cards in their hand histories and in this case it is only possible to calculate all-in EV for hands which your opponent wins and we see all cards (when you win we do not see your opponent's cards). This would skew the results massively so all-in EV is not calculated for sites like this.

Sites which do not include mucked cards, and where we therefore do not calculate all-in EV, are:

• Bodog
• Boss Media
• Everleaf
• OnGame
• Yatahay

[asdpikas]

here i see both villains cards, the winner, the loser, and me

Everleaf Gaming Game #286839497
***** Hand history for game #286839497 *****
Blinds $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em - 2011/07/11 - 08:21:02
Table Boston 20
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: luckydog1 ( $ 39.31 USD )
Seat 2: SuperMonster ( $ 51.98 USD )
Seat 3: Najk83 ( $ 34.02 USD )
Seat 4: kaffo79 ( $ 41 USD )
Seat 5: fluffycat ( $ 24.33 USD )
Seat 6: GamingFoSho ( $ 50 USD )
Seat 7: 13TOOL13 ( $ 38.95 USD )
Seat 8: opperator28 ( $ 22.98 USD )
Seat 9: asdpikas ( $ 50 USD )
Seat 10: Kittyhound ( $ 7.52 USD )
kaffo79: posts small blind [$ 0.25 USD]
fluffycat: posts big blind [$ 0.50 USD]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to asdpikas [ Ah, Ad ]
13TOOL13 folds
opperator28 folds
asdpikas raises [$ 1.75 USD]
Kittyhound calls [$ 1.75 USD]
luckydog1 calls [$ 1.75 USD]
SuperMonster folds
Najk83 folds
kaffo79 folds
fluffycat raises [$ 8.50 USD]
asdpikas raises [$ 29 USD]
Kittyhound calls [$ 5.77 USD]
luckydog1 folds
fluffycat calls [$ 15.33 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, Qc, 8s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
fluffycat shows [ Qd, Qh ] a full house, queens full of eights
asdpikas shows [ Ah, Ad ] a full house, eights full of aces
Kittyhound shows [ 5c, 5h ] a full house, eights full of fives
fluffycat wins $ 23.34 USD from main pot with a full house, queens full of eights [ Qd, Qh, Qc, 8s, 8c ]
fluffycat wins $ 31.95 USD from side pot with a full house, queens full of eights [ Qd, Qh, Qc, 8s, 8c ]

[asdpikas]

here i win, and still see villains cards
Everleaf Gaming Game #286609386
***** Hand history for game #286609386 *****
Blinds $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em - 2011/07/10 - 11:49:29
Table Boston 20
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players: 10
Seat 1: kaffo79 ( $ 71.79 USD )
Seat 2: Brautsau ( $ 36.29 USD )
Seat 3: tonetti2010 ( $ 25 USD )
Seat 4: Drazz ( $ 22.77 USD )
Seat 5: asdpikas ( $ 50 USD )
Seat 6: maggers ( $ 42.81 USD )
Seat 7: nifera ( $ 20.62 USD )
Seat 8: sexc_AZN ( $ 123.81 USD )
Seat 9: Magnet ( $ 47.23 USD )
Seat 10: CiroNA ( $ 51.55 USD )
nifera: posts small blind [$ 0.25 USD]
sexc_AZN: posts big blind [$ 0.50 USD]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to asdpikas [ 5c, 5h ]
Magnet calls [$ 0.50 USD]
CiroNA folds
kaffo79 folds
Brautsau folds
Drazz calls [$ 0.50 USD]
asdpikas raises [$ 2 USD]
maggers folds
nifera folds
sexc_AZN folds
Magnet calls [$ 1.50 USD]
Drazz calls [$ 1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 2h, Qh ]
Magnet checks
Drazz checks
asdpikas checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
Magnet: bets [$ 4 USD]
Drazz calls [$ 4 USD]
asdpikas raises [$ 12 USD]
Magnet folds
Drazz raises [$ 16.77 USD]
asdpikas calls [$ 8.77 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
Drazz shows [ 3h, 3c ] two pairs, queens and threes
asdpikas shows [ 5c, 5h ] a full house, fives full of queens
asdpikas wins $ 49.68 USD from main pot with a full house, fives full of queens [ Qd, Qh, 5c, 5h, 5d ]

[asdpikas]

so, cards ARE shown if players are allin, wether winner or loser doesnt matter

therefore, your argument is senseless in this case

[WhiteRider]

If your opponent makes the last aggressive action then they have to show first, and then their cards are included.
If you bet and they call and lose, they do not have to show and in that case (I understand that) Everleaf do not include the hole cards. They can also choose to show, of course, but that does not affect the point that your results will be skewed if some cases are calculated but not others.
It's possible that they have changed the way that they do things again, of course, and if that is the case then I'm sure the calculations will be reinstated, but we'll need to be sure.

[asdpikas]

If your opponent makes the last aggressive action then they have to show first, and then their cards are included.
If you bet and they call and lose, they do not have to show and in that case (I understand that) Everleaf do not include the hole cards.

in the first hand i have posted i take last aggro action and put them allin, i do get to see losing villain's cards.
oh, in addition, i played that hand today, and i saw their holecards as soon as we were allin, i remember cause i saw the QQ hitting the flop and think about my EV line

[WhiteRider]

Hmm, OK. If you see their cards as soon as the all-in happens then I guess we'll have full information for all cases.
Could you please compress and attach the full original hand history files for these sessions to a Support ticket and I'll check them out and pass them on to the development team to see if we need to update this - in fact if you could attach a good set of recent hand history files so that we have more examples that would be really useful.
Thanks.

[asdpikas]

Hmm, OK. If you see their cards as soon as the all-in happens then I guess we'll have full information for all cases.
Could you please compress and attach the full original hand history files for these sessions to a Support ticket and I'll check them out and pass them on to the development team to see if we need to update this - in fact if you could attach a good set of recent hand history files so that we have more examples that would be really useful.
Thanks.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp ... count=1712

[WhiteRider]

If you have mucked cards consistently in all hand histories then please send us a few examples too - last time I checked Everleaf hands we don't see mucked cards in all situations, only when the player had to show at the table.