item properties HUD: 3bet+ Pot / no 3Bet+ Pot

[marvin]

also if i see a lot of stat (like cbet flop in 3bet+pot), why you dont try to insert item properties HUD: 3bet+ Pot / no 3Bet+ Pot togheter "Position" and "Has position (post flop)"?

[kraada]

That would require doubling the size of our cache and with considerable examination we decided it was not worth the effort. The vast majority of stats we tested came up very rarely in 3bet pots. Nearly any stat for the turn and river or any reaction stat (call/raise/fold etc) occur at best one hand in a thousand - most occur more like one in ten thousand and that's just not worth it.

[marvin]

OK. why i see "float turn/river in 3bet", "float turn/river in non 3Bet" and about Float FLop i see only "Float flop in 3Bet", but not "float F in no 3bet pot"?? :?:
i need to searche better? do youll built it in future?

[WhiteRider]

I think that this is because the main "Float Flop" stat is for non-3Bet pots. The 3Bet pot version was added later and I guess we didn't want to change the name of the main stat since it was already established. Kraada will be able to confirm but he isn't around today.

[marvin]

about name of stats i dont care about, i typed in that way for being faster.

summarizing, i wish have built in theese stats:
3bet to raise after [F, T, R CDbet/F, T, R Dbet/T, R Probe bet/F, T, R Fbet] in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
Fold to raise after [F, T, R Dbet/T, R Probe bet/F, T, R Fbet] in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
fold to F/T/R Fbet in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
fold to T/R Probebet in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
Fbet F in no 3betpot
Raise to F/T/R Fbet in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
Raise to T/R Probebet in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
Raise to T/R Dbet in [no 3bet+/3bet+]pot
do you think i will be satisfied? :oops:

[kraada]

I do not expect those will be added at this time.

We ran tests against a large database and found that, in 3bet pots, many of the situations you are describing were exceedingly rare - many of them occurring less than once in ten thousand hands.

With values that low, we do not think they are worthwhile additions to the general stats.

You can of course create them as custom stats - and you will see, as we did, that these are of very little value (especially for turn and river).

[EinSIM]

Hi,

i find most of the interesing stats in 3bet(non 3Bet pots, but i miss two essential stats for every street !!

Fold to (Street) Float Bet
Fold to (Street) Probe Bet

Fold to (Street) Donk Bet is in, but that didnt happend really often in 3Bet Pot !!!

[kraada]

I ran tests on those specific instances. Donk bets in 3Bet pots occurred once every 400 hands in my (large) database. Float bets in 3Bet pots occurred once every 770 hands, and turn probes occurred once every 900 hands. These just don't happen as much as you think.